Ticking Some Right Boxes Biosimilar Drugs’ Acceptance Gaining Steam in India

Looking at a broader canvas, on September 19, 2023, a credible international report flashed a headline, ‘Biosimilars making inroads into Humira sales, but docs still cautious on switching: Spherix.’ This is based on a survey of U.S. healthcare specialists, including 80 dermatologists, 83 gastroenterologists and 81 rheumatologists.

This is indeed a significant development in the realm of biologic and biosimilar drugs, internationally. If this trend gathers a strong wind on its sales, it will effectively address the need for affordable biologic drugs, especially in life threatening ailments.

According to another January 05, 2023 report, Humira, which dominated the top of the global pharmaceutical brand ranking charts between 2012 and 2022, has slipped in 2023 to no 3 in ranking as it lost its last patent protection in the US in May 2022. Doctors’ gradual acceptance of biosimilars and the price could be a key differentiator among the competitors, potentially hastening Humira’s sales decline.

On July 31, 2017, I wrote an article in this blog captioned “Improving Patient Access To Biosimilar Drugs: Two Key Barriers.” Interestingly, 6 years down the line, reflecting the same sentiment – the above September 19, 2023, report also noted that ‘efficacy remains “top of mind” as prescribers’ leading concern for adalimumab (Humira) biosimilars, followed by safety concerns and an overall lack of cost savings.’

In today’s article, I shall particularly focus on the latest developments in India and the initiatives taken by the concerned stakeholders in this area. Let me start with a quick recap of biosimilar drugs, in my understanding, so that we all are on the same page while discussing the subject.

A quick recap: 

As we know, biologic drugs are medicines made from living organisms, such as bacteria, yeast, or cells. They are used to treat a wide range of conditions, including cancer, autoimmune diseases, and infectious diseases. Biosimilar drugs are highly similar copies of original biologic drugs that have gone off patent and are typically less expensive than the original biologic drugs. However, there are still some existing barriers to doctors’ fast and wider acceptance of biosimilar drugs by many.

Current global barriers to doctors’ fast acceptance of biosimilar drugs:

  • Lack of awareness and education: Many doctors are not familiar with biosimilar drugs or the regulatory process that oversees them. This lack of awareness may lead to skepticism and hesitation about prescribing biosimilar drugs to patients.
  • Concerns about safety and efficacy: Some doctors are concerned that biosimilar drugs may not be as safe or effective as biologic drugs. These concerns are often based on a misunderstanding of the regulatory process for biosimilar drugs. 
  • Financial incentives: Some doctors may be reluctant to prescribe biosimilar drugs because they receive financial incentives from biologic drug manufacturers. These incentives can take the form of speaking fees, consulting fees, and research grants. 
  • Regulatory uncertainty: In some countries, the regulatory framework for biosimilar drugs is still evolving. This uncertainty can make it difficult for doctors to know which biosimilar drugs are safe and effective, and how to use them effectively. 

Some contemporary examples show that these barriers still exist:

As shown by the following contemporary data available to the public:

  • In 2022, a study published in the journal JAMA found that only 25% of US doctors were aware that biosimilar drugs are just as safe and effective as biologic drugs.
  • In 2023, a study published in the journal Annals of Rheumatic Diseases found that only 30% of rheumatologists in the UK were willing to prescribe biosimilar drugs to their patients. 
  • In 2023, a study published in the journal Cancer found that oncologists in the US were more likely to prescribe biologic drugs to their patients if they had received financial incentives from biologic drug manufacturers. 
  • In 2023, a report published by the European Commission found that the regulatory framework for biosimilar drugs in the EU is still complex and fragmented.

Measures being taken to address these barriers, globally?

There are a number of things that can be done to address the barriers to doctors’ fast acceptance of biosimilar drugs. These include:

  • Education and outreach: More needs to be done to educate doctors about biosimilar drugs and the regulatory process that oversees them. This education should come from a variety of sources, including medical schools, professional organizations, and pharmaceutical companies.
  • Financial transparency: Pharmaceutical companies should be required to disclose all financial payments they make to doctors. This transparency will help to reduce the potential for conflicts of interest.
  • Regulatory harmonization: The EU should work to harmonize the regulatory framework for biosimilar drugs across member states. This will make it easier for doctors to prescribe biosimilar drugs to their patients.

By addressing these barriers, it is possible to increase the acceptance of biosimilar drugs and make them more accessible to patients. This will lead to lower healthcare costs and improved patient outcomes.

Indian scenario of biosimilar drugs, issues and actions:

As reported, India is a global leader in the production and development of biosimilar drugs. The Indian biosimilar market is expected to reach $30 billion by 2025. Biosimilar drugs in India are typically 30-70% cheaper than original biologic drugs. For example, a vial of the biologic drug Herceptin costs around INR 1 lakh, while a vial of the biosimilar drug Trastuzumab costs around INR 30,000.

The key reasons for price arbitrage:

The price difference between biosimilar drugs and original biologic drugs is due to a number of factors, including:

  • Lower development costs: Biosimilar drugs are less expensive to develop than original biologic drugs because they do not require the same level of research and clinical trials. 
  • Increased competition: There is more competition among biosimilar manufacturers, which drives down prices. 
  • Government support: The Indian government provides financial incentives to biosimilar manufacturers, which also helps to keep prices low. 

Biologic drugs, especially biosimilar insulin, some medications for cancer and a variety of autoimmune diseases, have been proved to be very effective for patients. That said, original biologic drugs can also be very expensive. Biosimilar drugs are making these drugs more affordable for patients.

Indian stakeholder initiatives and support is essential:

Indian key stakeholders are also supportive of the biosimilar industry and have taken a number of steps to promote its growth. Some of the recent ones are: 

  • In 2022, the Indian government announced a new policy that will give preference to biosimilar drugs in government procurement. This policy is expected to save the government billions of dollars in healthcare costs.
  • In 2023, the Indian government launched a new awareness campaign to promote the use of biosimilar drugs. The campaign is targeting doctors, patients, and healthcare policymakers.
  • In 2023, a number of leading private hospitals in India announced that they would be switching to biosimilar drugs for a range of conditions. These hospitals include Apollo Hospitals, Fortis Healthcare, and Max Healthcare.
  • In 2023, the Indian Pharmaceutical Alliance (IPA) released a report that found that the use of biosimilar drugs in India had increased by 20% in the past year. The report also found that the use of biosimilar drugs was expected to continue to grow in the coming years.

These are just a few examples of the growing acceptance of biosimilar drugs in India. As more and more doctors and patients become aware of the benefits of biosimilar drugs, we can expect to see their use continue to grow in the coming years.

State-specific advantages for greater acceptance of biosimilar drugs in India: 

As available from different reports, the following are some specific examples of state-specific advantages that have led to the greater acceptance of biosimilar drugs in India:

  • In 2022, the government of Maharashtra launched a scheme to provide financial incentives to doctors who prescribe biosimilar drugs. Under the scheme, doctors who prescribe biosimilar drugs to at least 20% of their patients are eligible to receive a bonus of up to INR 10,000 per month.
  • In 2023, the government of Gujarat launched a campaign called “Biosimilar Drugs: Safe, Effective, and Affordable.” The campaign aims to educate doctors and patients about the benefits of biosimilar drugs and to dispel any myths or misconceptions about them. 
  • The states of Karnataka and Telangana have a number of leading biopharmaceutical companies that are developing and manufacturing biosimilar drugs. These companies are working with doctors and hospitals in these states to promote the use of biosimilar drugs. 

As a result of these advantages, the acceptance of biosimilar drugs is growing rapidly in some states in India. For example, in Maharashtra, the use of biosimilar drugs increased by 25% in the past year.

Conclusion:

Against the above backdrop, I reckon, the acceptance of biosimilar drugs is gaining steam in India now. This is due to a number of factors, including rising costs of original biologic drugs, government support, growing availability of biosimilar drugs, and increasing awareness and education.

It is important to note that biosimilar drugs are just as safe and effective as original biologic drugs, but they are much more affordable. This is making it possible for more patients to access the treatment they need, especially for life-threatening ailments. 

By: Tapan J. Ray

Disclaimer: The views/opinions expressed in this article are entirely my own, written in my individual and personal capacity. I do not represent any other person or organization for this opinion.

 

Draft Pharma Policy 2017 Ticks The Right Boxes: A Challenge Still Remains

Pharma policy is not a panacea to address all related issues, neither for the patients nor the industry, in general. As I see it, it’s no more than a critical cog in the wheel of the overall macro and the micro health care environment in India. Regardless of this fact, and notwithstanding virtually inept handling of previous pharma policies in many critical areas, each time a new policy surfaces, it generates enough heat for discussion.

Interestingly, that happens even without taking stock in detail of the success or failure of the previous one. A similar raging debate maintaining the same old tradition, has begun yet again with the Draft Pharma Policy 2017. This debate predominantly revolves around the direct or indirect interests of the industry, and its host of other associates of various hues and scale.

Having said that, the broad outline of the 18-page draft policy 2017 appears bolder than previous ones in several areas, and has ticked mostly the right boxes, deserving immediate attention of the Government. One such aspect I discussed in my previous article, titled “Draft Pharma Policy 2017 And Branded Generics,” published in this blog on August 28, 2017.

There are obviously some loose knots in this draft policy, a few are contentious too, such as the changing role of National Pharmaceutical Pricing Authority (NPPA), which apparently is doing a reasonably good job. I also find its link with several important national initiatives, especially ‘Make in India’, ‘Digital India’ and ‘Skill development’. Above all, the draft policy reflects an unambiguous intent to stop several widely-alleged business malpractices – deeply ingrained in various common, but important industry processes and practices that include, pharma sales and marketing, serious quality concern with many loan licensing manufacturers, and even in the issues related to ‘Product to Product (P2P) manufacturing.

The Department of Pharmaceuticals (DoP) reportedly commenced the preliminary rounds of discussion on August 30, 2017, where the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Environment and the Department of Commerce also participated in the deliberation. In this article, I shall not go into the speculative areas of what ought to or ought not to come finally, instead focus on the key challenges in making the pharma policy meaningful, especially for the patients, besides the industry.

Policy implementation capability:

Whatever may be the net outcome of these discussions, and the final contours of the National Pharma Policy 2017, the implementation capability of the DoP calls for a thorough overhaul, being the primary challenge in its effective implementation. Since 2008, several illustrious bureaucrats have been at the helm of this important department, but nothing substantial seems to have changed in the comprehensive implementation of pharma policies, just yet. Concerned stakeholders continue to wait for a robust patented drug pricing policy, or for that matter even making the Uniform Code of Pharmaceutical Marketing Practices (UCPMP) mandatory, which, going by what the DoP officials had reportedly hinted at many times, should have been in place by now.

The core reason for the same could well be due to a structural flaw in the constitution of DoP under the Ministry of Chemicals and Fertilizers, instead of making it a part of the Ministry of Health. The reason being to create a greater synergy in the implementation of both the Pharma and Health Policies, in a more meaningful way. But, that could be a topic of a separate discussion, altogether.

Initial adverse impact on the pharma industry:

Some of the following proposals, as articulated in the draft pharma policy 2017, are likely to cause initial adverse impact on the performance of the industry, especially considering the way the industry, in general, has been operating over a long time:

  • No brand names for single molecule drugs
  • Mandatory UCPMP with heavy penal provisions
  • e-prescriptions facilitating greater usage of less expensive high quality drugs with only generic names
  • Mandatory BE/BA studies for all generic drug approvals
  • GMP and GLP requirements in all manufacturing facilities
  • Restrictions on loan-licensing and P2P manufacturing.

Initial retarding impact, out of the above measures, may be felt on pharma revenue and profit growth, increase in overall manufacturing cost, and more importantly on the long term strategic game plans of most pharma players, in one way or the other.

The Government is aware of it:

Nevertheless, to make a significant course correction through policy interventions, in curbing widely reported alleged marketing and other malpractices, dubious quality standards of many drugs, and sufferings of many patients with high out of pocket drug expenditure, the Government apparently firmly believes that such an outcome is unavoidable, although need to be minimized. The following paragraph detailed in the Annual Report 2016-17 of the Department of Pharmaceuticals, vindicates the point:

“The domestic Pharma market witnessed a slowdown in the ongoing financial year owing to the Government’s efforts to make medicines affordable. The impact of this can be seen in the industry’s financials as well. The drugs & pharmaceuticals industry reported poor sales performance for two consecutive quarters ended September 2016. Sales grew by a mere 2.9 per cent in the September 2016 quarter, after a sluggish 2.5 per cent growth registered in the June 2016 quarter. The industry’s operating expenses rose by 5.4 per cent during the September 2016 quarter, much faster than the growth in sales. As a result, the industry’s operating profit declined by 5.4 per cent. Operating margin contracted by 185 basis points to 21.1 per cent. A 3.4 per cent decline in the industry’s post-operating expenses restricted the decline in its net profit to 0.8 percent. The industry’s net profit margin contracted by 160 basis points to 13.7 per cent during the quarter.”

Just the pharma policy won’t increase access to health care or drugs:  

Just a pharma policy, irrespective of its robustness, is unlikely to increase access to health care or even medicines, significantly, despite one of the key objectives of the draft pharma policy 2017 being: “Making essential drugs accessible at affordable prices to the common masses.” This articulation is nothing new, either. It has been there in all pharma policies, since the last four decades, but has not been able to give the desired relief to patients, till date.

Pharma and Health Policies need to work in tandem:

To be successful in this direction, both the Pharma and the Health Policies should be made to work in unison – for a synergistic outcome. This is like an individual musician creating his or her own soothing music, following the exact notations as scripted by the conductor of a grand symphony orchestra. The orchestrated music, thus created is something that is much more than what a solo musical player will be able to create.

This is exactly what is not happening in the health care ecosystem of India, over decades, and continues even today. Each of the Pharma and Health policies are implemented, if at all, separately, apparently in isolation to each other, while the holistic picture of health care remains scary, still progressing at a snail’s speed in the country!

The predicament of the same gets well reflected in a World Bank article that states:

“In India, where most people have dug deep into their pockets to pay doctors, pharmacies and diagnostic centers (or ‘out-of-pocket spending’) as the norm for a long time, vulnerability to impoverishment caused by medical expenses remains high. Though government health spending is estimated to have steadily risen to 30% of the country’s total health expenditure – up from about 20% in 2005 – and out-of-pocket payments have fallen to about 58%, dropping from 69% a decade ago, these levels are still high and not commensurate with India’s level of socioeconomic development. In fact, the average for public spending on health in other lower middle-income countries is more than 38%, while in China, government spending accounts for 56% of total health expenditure.”

Affordable drug – just one parameter to improve its access :

While ‘making essential drugs accessible at affordable prices to the common masses’ is one of the top objectives of the draft pharma policy. The degree of its success is intimately linked with what the National Health Policy 2017 wants to achieve. It promises ‘improved access and affordability, of quality secondary and tertiary care services through a combination of public hospitals and well measured strategic purchasing of services in health care deficit areas, from private care providers, especially the not-for profit providers.’

The Health Policy 2017 also states: ‘Achieving a significant reduction in out of pocket expenditure due to health care costs and achieving reduction in proportion of households experiencing catastrophic health expenditures and consequent impoverishment.’ It is no-brainer to make out that reducing out of expenses on drugs is just one element of reducing overall out of pocket expenditure on overall health care. When there is no, or very poor access to health care for many people in India, improving access to affordable drugs may mean little to them.

A major reason of the ongoing ‘Gorakhpur Hospital’ tragedy, is not related to access to affordable drugs, but access to affordable and a functioning public health care system nearby. In the absence of any adjacent and functioning Government health facilities, the villagers had to commute even 150 to 200 kilometers, carrying their sick children in critical conditions to Gorakhpur. The question of access to affordable drugs could have arisen, at least, for them, if the country would not have lost those innocent children due to gross negligence of all those who are responsible for such frequent tragedies.

Thus, improving access to affordable essential drugs, as enunciated in the pharma policy, depends largely on improving access to affordable and quality public health care services. Both are intertwined, and require to be implemented in unison. Without the availability of affordable health care services, the question of affordable essential drugs would possibly be akin to putting the cart before the horse.

Conclusion:

The degree of resistance, presumably from the industry and its associates, to have a new and robust National Pharma Policy that meets the related needs and aspirations of the nation, in an inclusive manner, is generally much more than any National Health Policy, for obvious reasons.

As several proposed changes in the draft pharma policy 2017 appear radical in nature, its grand finale, I reckon, will be more interesting. At the same time, navigating through the waves of tough resistance, coming both from within and outside, will possibly not be a piece of cake, either, for the policy makers achieve the stated goals. Nevertheless, in that process, one will get to watch where the final decision makers give-in or dilute the proposals, and where they hold the ground, supported by a solid rationale for each.

Thus, the bottom line is: Where exactly does the challenge lie? In my view, both the National Health Policy 2017, and the Draft Pharma Policy 2017 mostly tick all the right boxes, especially in ‘making essential drugs accessible at affordable prices to the common masses’.

However, the fundamental challenge that still lies ahead, is to effectively translate this noble intent into reality. It would call for making both these policies work in tandem, creating a synergy in pursuit of meeting the nation’s health and socioeconomic needs on access to affordable health care for all, including medicines.

By: Tapan J. Ray 

Disclaimer: The views/opinions expressed in this article are entirely my own, written in my individual and personal capacity. I do not represent any other person or organization for this opinion.

 

NRHM of India: Yet to ‘Tick all the Right Boxes’

‘National Rural Health Mission (NRHM)’, one of the largest and a very ambitious healthcare initiative for the rural population of India, was launched by the Government of India on April 12, 2005.

The primary purpose of NRHM, as announced by the Government, was to ensure universal access to affordable and quality healthcare for the rural poor of 18 states of India, namely, Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Himachal Pradesh, Jharkhand, Jammu and Kashmir, Manipur, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Madhya Pradesh, Nagaland, Orissa, Rajasthan, Sikkim, Tripura, Uttarakhand and Uttar Pradesh, to start with.
During the launch of NRHM, the then Health Minister of India announced that the nation would see the results of these efforts in three years’ time.

The key objectives of NRHM:

• Decrease the infant and maternal mortality rate • Provide access to public health services for every citizen • Prevent and control communicable and non-communicable diseases • Control population as well as ensure gender and demographic balance • Encourage a healthy lifestyle and alternative systems of medicine through AYUSH

As announced by the government NRHM envisages achieving its objective by strengthening “Panchayati Raj Institutions” and promoting access to improved healthcare through the “Accredited Social Health Activist” (ASHA). It also plans on strengthening existing Primary Health Centers, Community Health Centers and District Health Missions, in addition to making maximum use of Non-Governmental Organizations.

NRHM was to improve access to healthcare by 20 to 25% in 3 years’ time:
To many the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM) has made a significant difference to the rural health care system in India. It now appears that many more state governments are envisaging to come out with innovative ideas to attract and retain public healthcare professionals in rural areas.
On January 11, 2010, the Health Minister of India Mr. Ghulam Nabi Azad, while inaugurating the FDA headquarters of the Western Zone located in Mumbai, clearly articulated that the NRHM initiative will help improving access to affordable healthcare and modern medicines by around 20 to 25 percent during the next three years. This means that during this period access to modern medicines will increase from the current 35 percent to 60 percent of the population.
If this good intention of the minister ultimately gets translated into reality, India will make tremendous progress in the space of healthcare, confirming the remarks made by Professor Sir Andrew Haines, Director, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, as quoted above.

The Achievements:

More than five years are over now. Let us have a look at the key achievements of this ambitious health scheme as on January 2010, as available from the Ministry of Health:

  • 71.6% (10.86 million) institutional deliveries across India as compared to only 41%
  • 78.8% (19.82 million) children across the country fully immunized
  • A total of 23,458 primary health centers (PHC) have been set up against NRHM goals of 27,000 during the same period.
  • 5,907 community health centers were upgraded against 7,000 as was planned under the NRHM.
  • 462,000 Associated Social Health Activists were trained
  • 177,924 villages have sanitation committees functional
  • 323 district hospitals have been taken for up gradation

Free Care to Mothers and Children: A new initiative

In the recent publication of the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare (MoHFW) titled, ‘Two years (2009-2011): Achievements & New Initiatives’, the ministry has highlighted another commendable initiative to provide free care to the mothers and children, which includes as follows:

Provision of free drugs,

  • Free Consumables and Diagnostics,
  • Free Diet during stay and
  • Free transport to health facility and drop back home. 

Still to ‘Tick all the Right Boxes’:

Despite all these, a recent study done by ‘Chronic Care Foundation’ indicates that in India about 86% of highly populated rural districts still do not have provisions for basic diagnostic tests for chronic ailments.

The study also highlights that in rural areas, as a percentage of total healthcare expenses, out of pocket costs are more than the urban areas, with hospitalization expenses contributing the most to the total costs. In many rural areas the healthcare costs have been reported to be as high as around 80% of the total expenses. Such a high out of pocket expenses have mainly been attributed to the lack of facilities in these rural areas, requiring patients to travel to distant areas for medical treatment. It was also reported that even in rural areas due to inefficient and inadequate services at the Government healthcare units there has been a very high dependence on more expensive private healthcare facilities.

Obvious questions:

Thus even after over five years from the inception of NRHM, the current status of rural public healthcare system, poses the following obvious questions:
• How is the huge money allocated for NRHM being utilized? • Who all are accountable for the current state of affairs of this great scheme?
Even our Prime Minister Mr. Manmohan Singh has admitted recently that “the shortage of human resources was becoming an impediment in strengthening the public health delivery system through the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM)”.

Economic Survey 2010 did raise a flag:

The Economic Survey 2010 highlighted that ‘several glitches in the flagship NRHM needed to be ironed out to improve health infrastructure’, some of these are the following:

  • Shortage of over 6,800 more hospitals in rural areas to provide basic health facilities to people
  • Shortage of 4,477 primary healthcare centers and 2,337 community healthcare centers as per the 2001 population norms.
  • Almost 29% of the existing health infrastructure is in rented buildings.
  • Poor upkeep and maintenance, and high absenteeism of manpower in the rural areas are the main problems in the health delivery system.
  • Basic facilities are still absent in many Primary Health Centers (PHCs) and Community Health Centers (CHCs) to provide guaranteed services such as in-patient care, operation theatres, labor rooms, pathological tests, X-ray facilities and emergency care.

The Economic Survey further highlighted that “An assessment of the health related indicators would suggest that significant gains have been made over the years. However, India fares poorly in most of the indicators in comparison to the developing countries like China and Sri Lanka. The progress in health has been quite uneven, across regions, gender, as well as space.”

It now appears that this great initiative of the government of India called the NRHM, has made, if at all, only marginal impact on the healthcare needs and systems of the nation.

Leveraging capacity of the Private Healthcare sector is critical:

Though the private sector contributes over 70% in healthcare space, unfortunately NRHM has not yet been successful to leverage this key strength.  Participation of the private healthcare players through Public Private Partnership (PPP) initiatives could be one of the key determinants of success of NRHM of India. Electronic Media outreach program, though quite sporadic, has started creating some awareness about this project within the general population.

Role of the State Governments:

In the federal governance structure of India, health being a state subject, respective state governments should play more creative and proactive role with requisite allocation of fund, freedom of operation and accountability to make NRHM successful across the country.

Who will bell the cat?

To make NRHM deliver desired results the Government should at the very outset significantly increase in health expenditure to around 3% to 5% of GDP and simultaneously outline, decide and announce the key measurable success parameters for performance evaluation of the scheme. This is to be done by uploading for public scrutiny in the respective Health Ministry websites of both the Central and State Governments the names and designations of the responsible senior Government officials who will be held accountable for the success or failure to deliver the deliverables for NRHM. All these details should be updated at least half yearly.

With tax-payers money being utilized for this important and critical public health arena, no non-performance should escape attention and go unpunished.
Moreover, with the help of experts, the Government should decide which elements of each identified success parameters the Government will be able to deliver better with its own internal resources and what are those areas where the Government should outsource from the private players.
Such an approach when worked out in great details will be able to ensure whether through NHRM the country is making progress to improve access to affordable and quality healthcare for a vast majority of its rural population. Otherwise this scheme may well be treated just as one of those which failed to deliver and over a period of time vanished in the oblivion.

Conclusion:

Thus, in my view, despite publication of all the details done for NRHM by the MoHFW in its latest publication titled, ‘‘Two years (2009-2011): Achievements & New Initiatives’ and witnessing some sporadic flashes of brilliance here or there, I reckon, the overall implementation of this excellent healthcare project called NRHM has failed to tick many of the important boxes as was eagerly expected by the common man of India.

By: Tapan J Ray

Disclaimer:The views/opinions expressed in this article are entirely my own, written in my individual and personal capacity. I do not represent any other person or organization for this opinion.